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SilverAzide
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Re: All Gadgets flash

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Yincognito wrote: April 25th, 2020, 9:33 am That being said, I have a question for you, given that the topic is somewhat related to this and that you probably have more experience with this than I currently do: I'm trying to implement UsageMonitor's Alias=GPU in my skins (well, the possibility to choose displaying this alias was always there, I just didn't think of testing it until now, given the Windows 10 Fall Creators Update or later requirement), and only get Rainmeter.exe with around 1% to 2% usage, nothing else. The screenshot you posted here appears to indicate that there should be more processes being displayed in the "Top GPU Meter", so my question is: am I doing something wrong to get only Rainmeter.exe appearing to use my GPU, or it's just a tricky PerfMon counter that might provide inconsistent numbers or processes here, depending on the large variety of GPU cards?

By the way, I did read in your skins that dwm.exe should be excluded from this, but I'm sure the fact that I'm not (yet) excluding it is not the cause for this, since, after all, the dwm.exe is not even shown, and displaying only Rainmeter.exe as using the GPU happens in your "gadget" as well.

Maybe you know some things that I don't regarding this, and could shed a light into this odd behavior, maybe?
You should eventually exclude dwm (Desktop Window Manager) once you get things finished with your skin. Per a conversation I had with tjhrulz (the UsageMonitor author, or Brian, I forget which), including dwm can get you wonky results because it appears that Windows itself ignores it. To best illustrate, take another look at that screenshot of the GPU Meter. You'll notice that the percentages add up to about 124%! It seems when Windows figures the percentages, it's ignoring DWM.

I'm not sure why you're not seeing more processes, unless maybe your card is so fast that it's not even being stressed to .1%... I'm using a older nVidia 970. Anytime I have Chrome open (not minimized, but open), I see it, plus that "csrss" process whatever that is. If you want to really see Chrome go nuts, go HERE and try one of the WebGL fluid simulations. That's how I got the 60% value in the screenshot.
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Re: All Gadgets flash

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SilverAzide wrote: April 25th, 2020, 9:31 pm You should eventually exclude dwm (Desktop Window Manager) once you get things finished with your skin. Per a conversation I had with tjhrulz (the UsageMonitor author, or Brian, I forget which), including dwm can get you wonky results because it appears that Windows itself ignores it. To best illustrate, take another look at that screenshot of the GPU Meter. You'll notice that the percentages add up to about 124%! It seems when Windows figures the percentages, it's ignoring DWM.

I'm not sure why you're not seeing more processes, unless maybe your card is so fast that it's not even being stressed to .1%... I'm using a older nVidia 970. Anytime I have Chrome open (not minimized, but open), I see it, plus that "csrss" process whatever that is. If you want to really see Chrome go nuts, go HERE and try one of the WebGL fluid simulations. That's how I got the 60% value in the screenshot.
Yeah, well, this is the result of clicking Copy Properties in PerfMon. Basically, only one process is having non-zero values (towards the end of the list) - and that is, as you can probably imagine, Rainmeter. The rest yield zero values, although they have a Process ID and probably a name as well, after the PID to Name conversion. I tried closing MSI AB + RTSS as I set a few apps there as "non-3D", but it didn't make a difference. My video card is an AMD Radeon 7610M, so much much slower than your "old" nVidia 970 video card, LOL. The odd thing is that Rainmeter produces non-zero values, while everything else is zero. I have no idea why this happens.

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SAngeli
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Re: All Gadgets flash

Post by SAngeli »

Hi,
in conclusion to this post, I wish to inform you all and who will read this entire post in the future that I was not able to solve the problem.
I did install Windows OS from scratch on the same pc, but this issue is not solved. Most likely, it is a hardware related issue: the way my hardware is assembled and configured. I have no other clue. I also contacted NVIDIA tech support, but this was just a waste of time!
I have to say, though, that I noticed a similar behavior in two other computers. It does not behave the same way, but I was able to make the installed skin flash.

Anyhow, I just decided to ignore this issue as it consumed a lot of my time and indeed it is not worth spending the time this way. Too bad for me.
Hopefully, when I will build my new workstation in the future hopefully all this will disappear. For the moment I stop here.

Many thanks you all for your help and time.
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balala
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Re: All Gadgets flash

Post by balala »

SAngeli wrote: June 14th, 2020, 9:44 pm in conclusion to this post, I wish to inform you all and who will read this entire post in the future that I was not able to solve the problem.
I did install Windows OS from scratch on the same pc, but this issue is not solved. Most likely, it is a hardware related issue: the way my hardware is assembled and configured. I have no other clue. I also contacted NVIDIA tech support, but this was just a waste of time!
I have to say, though, that I noticed a similar behavior in two other computers. It does not behave the same way, but I was able to make the installed skin flash.

Anyhow, I just decided to ignore this issue as it consumed a lot of my time and indeed it is not worth spending the time this way. Too bad for me.
Hopefully, when I will build my new workstation in the future hopefully all this will disappear. For the moment I stop here.
I'm a little bit lazy to re-read all topic so I'm not sure if it is the case, but if you didn't try, you could try disabling hardware acceleration, if it is enabled.
Sorry if this has been discussed before and I missed it.
SAngeli
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Re: All Gadgets flash

Post by SAngeli »

Hi,
I do appreciate a lot your post and thank your for it.
I tried already with and without hardware acceleration. It makes little difference.
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balala
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Re: All Gadgets flash

Post by balala »

SAngeli wrote: June 15th, 2020, 11:13 am I tried already with and without hardware acceleration. It makes little difference.
Alright. Sorry it didn't fix the problem.
FluorescentAdolescen
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Re: All Gadgets flash

Post by FluorescentAdolescen »

I think you should just upgrade your graphics card. I think it's no secret that NVidia specifically underestimates the performance of older graphics cards. Unfortunately, nothing can be done about it. Because of this, I looked at the guide for building a top-end pc in 2021 here https://gadgetguide.in since I'm about to start streaming call of duty with my friends right now. Unfortunately, due to the growth of bitcoin, the prices of video cards have increased even more as people start mining more and more. I hope it will end soon...
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SAngeli
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Re: All Gadgets flash

Post by SAngeli »

Now I'm facing the same problem. Is there a solution?
No, I keep having the same issue. So far I just keep ignoring the issue.

Sorry
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Re: All Gadgets flash

Post by SilverAzide »

FluorescentAdolescen wrote: February 8th, 2021, 6:32 pm Now I'm facing the same problem. Is there a solution?
It might help if you described what steps you've taken so far, and which skins you are referring to. This problem seems to be caused by a video driver issue, but it is unclear what can be done about it other than installing the latest driver and try the Rainmeter hardware acceleration option (on or off).
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SAngeli
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Joined: January 13th, 2017, 8:17 pm

Re: All Gadgets flash

Post by SAngeli »

Hi,
despite various GPU driver updates and trying with/out hardware acceleration option Gadgets still flash.
Again, I believe you must just accept it as a limitation on your specific hardware/software. When you will change computer, you will hopefully be happier not having this issue. I say so because on several PC I have and use this issue happens only on one computer.